[CRISP-TEAM] IPR: Invitation for the CRISP Chairs to join the next CWG call

Izumi Okutani izumi at nic.ad.jp
Thu Jan 14 04:03:29 CET 2016

Dear CRISP Team,

This is to update you that preliminary agreement in the CWG is to work based on the requirements shared by the IANAPLAN.

Unfortunately neither me nor Nurani were able to make it to the call during their discussions on IPR but we both observe their outcome is consistent with the CRISP Team's feedback.
The notes and the transcripts of the #74 CWC call are available at: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986711

The discussions have also started on specifics of the requirements to be reflected in the contracts and tentatively consider the IETF Trust as the holder of the mark, while this is not a final decision.

 See "FW: IPR follow up"

I believe we need an equivalent review from the numbers community perspective and will need feedback from RIRs on the specifics of the requirements.
The CRISP Team can make an observation whether a certain requirement is consistent with the ICG proposal/CRISP IPR principles (as we did for the SLA and Review Committee Charter) but I think it would be more appropriate for the RIRs (legal team) to review the requirements and provide feedback.

I'd like to discuss this further at the coming CRISP call at UTC1300 and welcome feedback online for those who are not able to attend the call.


On 2016/01/12 9:00, Izumi Okutani wrote:
> Thanks for your feedback, John and Andrei. Helpful to confirm an explicit support.
> I replied to the CWG Co-Chairs the CRISP Chair(s) will be joining the next CWG call.
> As mentioned, I'll coordinate with Nurani on who will join (both of us, either one of us) as the time is a little challenging from the JST.
> In anycase, we'll keep you updated !
> Izumi
> On 2016/01/11 17:52, Andrei Robachevsky wrote:
>> Thank you, Izumi. I second what John said.
>> Andrei
>> Sweeting, John wrote on 09/01/16 00:33:
>>> Hi Izumi,
>>> I think this is very well thought out and presented. I feel it represents
>>> what we discussed on the call last week and I fully support your course of
>>> action as outlined.
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>> On 1/8/16, 3:28 AM, "crisp-bounces at nro.net on behalf of Izumi Okutani"
>>> <crisp-bounces at nro.net on behalf of izumi at nic.ad.jp> wrote:
>>>> Dear CRISP Team,
>>>> We had a coordination call among the OCs leaders on IPR on 7th Jan,
>>>> UTC2200.
>>>> I'm now circulating my rough notes among the participants and once fixed,
>>>> I plan to share it with the CRISP Team next Tuesday.
>>>> At the call, the CRISP Chairs were invited to join the next CWG call(12th
>>>> Jan UTC1600-1800) to share the CRISP feedback on the IPR principles.
>>>> The CWG will then have discussions on whether they agree with the CRISP
>>>> feedback and three questions I had raised to the OCs leaders on whether:
>>>> 1) We can agree that the IPR high level principles should be based on
>>>> what is described in the ICG proposal and should not divert from this
>>>> 2) You agree with what has been listed to be consistent with the CRISP
>>>> IPR principles, out of the bullets listed in the CWG IPR DT document.
>>>>    Out of the bullets in the CWG IPR DT document, anything we have
>>>> missed to incorporate, what is consistent? Anything we have put as
>>>> consistent, when it is not?
>>>> 3) Once we complete 2), can we agree those principles as commonly agreed
>>>> high level principles among the three OCs?
>>>> I would like to accept this invitation with a note that:
>>>> - The participation from the CRISP Chairs are based on the role to share
>>>> the concept behind the CRISP feedback on IPR and to clarify any questions
>>> >from the CWG.
>>>> - Coordination of feedback from the CWG and with those of the CRISP Team
>>>> is to take place in the discussions among the leaders of the OCs and not
>>>> at the CWG call.
>>>> - CWG call is for the CWG members to have discussions from the names
>>>> community perspective. We do not intend to join the discussions by the
>>>> CWG other than clarifications of the CRISP Team's feedback.
>>>>   Therefore, sharing no opinions from the CRISP Chairs in the CWG
>>>> discussions should not be interpreted as the CRISP Chairs agreeing to the
>>>> CWG discussions.
>>>> As long as the above points are acknowledged, I think it would be a good
>>>> opportunity to share the idea behind the CRISP feedback directly with the
>>>> CWG members, for their better understanding and further discussions.
>>>> I plan to get back to the CWG Co-Chairs on Mon 11th Jan. Please let me
>>>> know if you have any comments by Mon UTC 0800.
>>>> (As a side issue, UTC1600-1800 is slightly challenging time for me as
>>>> it's JST0100-0300. I'll coordinate with Nurani on who can join the call.)
>>>> Izumi
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