[CRISP-TEAM] Reasons why we should not fall much further behind.

Craig Ng craig at apnic.net
Thu Oct 22 13:27:00 CEST 2015

Thanks very much Nurani for this update.

We are all united on our common goal of a successful transition. Our
divergence appears to be on how we achieve this goal, in the least possible

As you know, my preference is to progress our work on a "soft diplomacy"
basis. I agree with you and others that putting pressure on the ICG may not
be the most effective way to progress our objective.


Craig Ng 
General Counsel, APNIC
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On 22/10/2015, 12:14 PM, "crisp-bounces at nro.net on behalf of Nurani Nimpuno"
<crisp-bounces at nro.net on behalf of nurani at netnod.se> wrote:

> Hi all,
> Thanks for the comments on the list, as well as the many informal hallway
> discussions we have had here onsite.
> Izumi and I reached out to both the RIRs and the NTIA to seek clarity on some
> of the points raised, but also to get people’s different perspectives on this.
> The NTIA confirmed that they will simply not proceed with the transition even
> if the ICG submits the proposal early on, without waiting for the CCWG. They
> were very clear that they will reject any “partial” proposal they receive. So
> pressuring the ICG to submit now, will not be fruitful.
> Further, the NTIA clearly stated that the budget restriction does not prevent
> them from working on the transition. They still believe in this being
> achievable if the CCWG-Accountability group can conclude its work early in the
> new year. (This is consistent with what they have been saying in many both
> public and informal meetings in the last month.)
> After having consulted people informally onsite, there were many concerns
> raised about requesting the ICG to submit its proposal at this stage.
> Personally, I feel that it is still in the interest of the broader community,
> as well as the number community, to achieve a successful transition of all
> IANA functions. 
> While we may all be rather frustrated with the slow progress of the
> CCWG-Accountability, I do think there has been some very encouraging progress
> in that group in the last week. We need to recognise that. If they achieve a
> submission in January, which is the currently work plan they have, this
> transition can still be a success.
> I feel that we should continue to put positive pressure on the
> CWG-Accountability to conclude their work. And we should continue to prepare
> our implementation plan as we have been doing.
> I would be happy to hear the thoughts on this of others in the group.
> Thanks,
> Nurani
>> On 21 okt 2015, at 17:44, Paul Rendek <rendek at ripe.net> wrote:
>> +1
>> Paul
>> On 10/21/15 5:27 PM, Craig Ng wrote:
>>> Thanks Nurani - I think it is a good idea to engage a wider group to
>>> discuss this.
>>> Cheers
>>> Craig
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>>> On 21/10/2015, 4:33 PM, "crisp-bounces at nro.net on behalf of Nurani
>>> Nimpuno" <mailto:crisp-bounces at nro.netonbehalfofNuraniNimpuno>
>>> <crisp-bounces at nro.net on behalf of nurani at netnod.se>
>>> <mailto:crisp-bounces at nro.netonbehalfofnurani@netnod.se>  wrote:
>>>> Thanks for this perspective Bill. Very interesting indeed!
>>>> Izumi and I would like to consult a little bit wider to make sure that we
>>>> all have the same facts on the table before we proceed in any direction.
>>>> Let¹s try to find a time to chat during the break!
>>>> Nurani
>>>>> On 21 okt 2015, at 14:17, Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net>
>>>>> <mailto:woody at pch.net>  wrote:
>>>>> In June and July, when it became apparent that the ICG was going to
>>>>> miss their deadline to advance the transition proposal to NTIA in time
>>>>> for NTIA to bring it to conclusion by the September 30 deadline, I
>>>>> concluded that, due to domestic political considerations within the
>>>>> United States, it would be very difficult for the current transition
>>>>> process to complete before the current administration begins to wind
>>>>> down.  The new administration that takes office in 2017 will need time
>>>>> to settle in, and will have its own campaign promises to make good on
>>>>> which will occupy at least its first eighteen months.  That means that,
>>>>> sometime in the latter half of 2018, we¹d need to begin the transition
>>>>> process over again, and convince two groups of people to allow it to
>>>>> proceed: those who¹ve never heard of us before, and those who remember
>>>>> that we failed three years before.  In any event, the second time will
>>>>> be more difficult than the first, and this time has not (yet) been
>>>>> successful.
>>>>> There are a number of factors at play here:
>>>>> - The domestic electoral politics of the Congress, whereby they need to
>>>>> make mundane things like this controversial in order to excite their
>>>>> voters and gain reelection.
>>>>> - The spending prohibition rider placed on the last budget, which
>>>>> precluded NTIA from acting to conclude their ICANN contract.
>>>>> - The as-yet-un-passed DOTCOM Act, which provided a mechanism by which
>>>>> NTIA could conclude the ICANN contract, albeit under more active
>>>>> oversight of Congress.
>>>>> - The fact that Congress¹ attention and willingness to provides such
>>>>> active oversight will be significantly diminished during the electoral
>>>>> period next year.
>>>>> - The fact that the appointees who are necessary to take action, like
>>>>> Larry Strickling, are scarcer and scarcer as the current administration
>>>>> winds to a close.
>>>>> My conclusion is that we have one last opportunity, but it requires
>>>>> immediate action if we¹re to have any chance of success.  I believe that
>>>>> we need to publicly tell the ICG that our community is ready for the ICG
>>>>> to advance our proposal to the NTIA now, before the factors above
>>>>> conspire to render all of our work thus far irrelevant.  If we fail to
>>>>> do so, we¹ll be starting over from scratch in 2018, and facing a much
>>>>> more difficult challenge than we had this time.  And in the intervening
>>>>> three or four years, the Internet governance community will be unable to
>>>>> demonstrate that the multistakeholder process is real and unopposed by
>>>>> the USG and ICANN.
>>>>> If, on the other hand, the Numbers (and Protocols) proposals are
>>>>> advanced and implemented, we can demonstrate a success on the part of
>>>>> the multistakeholder community and we demonstrate that the USG and ICANN
>>>>> do in fact support the multistakeholder process and its outcomes.  Not
>>>>> only do we take responsibility for our own relationship with the IANA,
>>>>> we advance the cause of multistakeholder Internet governance
>>>>> significantly.
>>>>> So, I ask that we give this one last shot, and try to get the ICG to
>>>>> advance our proposal before it becomes irrelevant, as it will surely do
>>>>> if we continue waiting for the CWG and CCWG, who have difficult problems
>>>>> still to resolve.
>>>>>                                -Bill
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