[CRISP-TEAM] Fwd: Re: [NRO-IANAXFER] Question from the ICG

[Nurani Nimpuno]

I agree. I think Alan's comments are good. 

Thanks for drafting Izumi!

Nurani



> On 19 feb 2015, at 16:35, "Sweeting, John" <john.sweeting at twcable.com> wrote:
> 
> Support and like Alan¹s edits.
> 
>> On 2/19/15, 6:07 AM, "Alan Barrett" <apb at cequrux.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015, Izumi Okutani wrote:
>>> If you recall my update from ICANN52 Singapore, we discussed with Russ
>>> and Jari to make a joint statement with the IETF.
>>> 
>>> I am consulting Russ and Jari whether we should submit joint +
>>> indivisual statements from each of the communities, or stick to a single
>>> joint statement by the IETF and the numbers.
>>> 
>>> I haven't heard from them at this stage so I suggest:
>>> 
>>> - We work on our reponse to the ICG as the numbers community, so that
>>>  we have something to repond to the ICG before the 21 Feb deadline,
>>>  as the numbers at least
>>> - We can still submit a joint statement with the IETF, in addition to
>>>  this, after we hear from the IETF
>> 
>> Yes, I think we should work on statement purely from the numbers
>> community, and a joint statement can be added later, or not, as
>> the situation warrants.
>> 
>>> Based on the above, this is a draft reply to Alissa.
>>> 
>>> - Once I re-confirm with Russ and Jari that they are happy to make a
>>>  joint statement, I will add this sentence at the end:
>>> 
>>>  "The IETF and the numbers community are working on the joint
>>>  statement in addition, which we plan to submit the ICG."
>>> 
>>> Please let me know if you have any feedback to the draft before UTC13:00
>>> 20th Feb. I will submit to the ICG before 23:00 UTC 20th Feb.
>> 
>> That seems like a good way of handling the possibility that a joint
>> statemt may come later.
>> 
>> I agree with the essence of your draft reply below.  However, I
>> will suggest some minor editing.
>> 
>>> Dear Alissa,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for sharing the question from the ICG.
>>> 
>>>> The numbers proposal sees these changes as a requirement of the
>>>> transition and the protocols parameters proposal does not. If
>>>> these aspects of the proposals are perceived as incompatible
>>>> would the numbers and protocol parameters communities be
>>>> willing to modify their proposals to reconcile them?
>>> 
>>> If the two proposals are incompatible and if needed, the numbers
>>> community is open to consider to modify the proposal.
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, we do not observe incompatibilities in our
>>> proposal with the proposal for protocol parameters based on our
>>> observation below.
>> 
>> My suggestion: Give more emphasis to "we do not observe
>> incompatibilities", like this:
>> 
>>  We do not observe incompatibilities between the proposals from
>>  the numbers and protocol parameters communities, for reasons
>>  given below.  However, if they are indeed incompatible, then
>>  the numbers community would be willing to modify our proposal.
>> 
>>> * It is the preference of the Internet Number Community that the mark
>>>  and the name be transferred to an entity independent of the
>>>  IANA Numbering Services Operator.
>>> 
>>> * The numbers community considers the IETF Trust as an acceptable
>>>  option, given this is supported by the IETF community, and the IETF
>>>  Trust is willing to accept it. This is not the only option and open
>>>  to consider an option which works for the IETF community.
>>> 
>>> * The holder of the mark and domain are expected to keep a condition,
>>>  that IANA trademark and IANA.ORG domain are available for the use of
>>>  IANA Numbering Services, in case we change the IANA operator in the
>>>  future.
>> 
>> Where you say "given", I'd say "provided", because I think it's not yet
>> known what the IETF and IETF Trust will decide.
>> 
>> I'd also be inclined to move the hardest requirement to the beginning
>> of the list, like this:
>> 
>> * The numbers community has a requirement that the IANA
>>  trademark and IANA.ORG domain must be available for the use
>>  of IANA Numbering Services in the future, even if the IANA
>>  Numbering Services Operator is changed from ICANN to some other
>>  operator, or if different communities choose different IANA
>>  operators in the future.
>> 
>> * In order to meet that requirement, it is the preference of
>>  the Internet Number Community that the mark and the name be
>>  transferred to an entity independent of the IANA Numbering
>>  Services Operator.
>> 
>> * The numbers community considers the IETF Trust as an acceptable
>>  option, provided this is supported by the IETF community, and
>>  the IETF Trust is willing to accept it. This is not the only
>>  option, and the numbers community is open to consider other
>>  solutions which work for other affected parties.
>> 
>>> To summarize, given the numbers proposal does not set a must
>>> condition to transfer the mark and domain to the IETF Trust nor
>>> any other specific entity, and the IETF proposal does not say it
>>> will oppose to consider transfer of the mark and domain to the
>>> IETF Trust, we do not observe any incompatibilities.
>> 
>> I'd emphasise the word "must", and reword slightly:
>> 
>> To summarize: the numbers proposal does not set a "MUST"
>> condition to transfer the mark and domain to the IETF Trust or
>> to any other specific entity, and the IETF proposal does not
>> say it will oppose transfer of the mark and domain to the IETF
>> Trust, so we do not observe any incompatibilities.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Izumi Okutani
>>> Chair, the CRISP Team
>> 
>> Thanks for drafting the reply.
>> 
>> --apb (Alan Barrett)
>> 
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