[CRISP-TEAM] Fwd: Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG

Craig Ng craig at apnic.net
Tue Feb 10 05:57:09 CET 2015


On 10/02/2015 10:21 am, "Andres Piazza" <andres at lacnic.net> wrote:

>Agree fully with John and Andrei.
>Hope IETF agrees with us so there is no need for modifications to the
>El 10/2/15 a las 4:39, Sweeting, John escribió:
>> On 2/9/15, 2:58 PM, "Andrei Robachevsky" <robachevsky at isoc.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Izumi,
>>> Izumi Okutani wrote on 09/02/15 18:48:
>>> [...]
>>>> "If these aspects of the proposals are perceived as incompatible would
>>>> the numbers and protocol parameters communities be willing to modify
>>>> their proposals to reconcile them?"
>>>> Are we willing to modify the proposal and reconcile?
>>> If this appear to be the case, I think we should try to reconcile them.
>>> But looking at the discussion in the IETF we may not need to do that at
>>> all, since it looks like there is no incompatibility between the two
>>> proposals.
>> I agree. From reading the threads this does not look to be an issue.
>>>> The rationale of the IETF is that it is not a high priority to address
>>>> the IPR issues on IANA trademark and iana.org and may need to consider
>>>> serveral factors which may not be completed before the transition.
>>>> The bottom line for us, my personal opinion is that we simply want to
>>>> make sure that the existing IANA operator does not hold on and
>>>> the transfer those IPRs.
>>>> As long as it is stated as the condition in the contract, it is not a
>>>> must to transfer IPR to a particular organization before the NTIA
>>>> stewardship transition on the IANA.
>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>> I think the community was pretty clear regarding the transfer of thee
>>> assets. If we want to modify this section we will have to confirm this
>>> with the community, IMO.
>> Fully agree with Andrei on this point.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrei
>>>> Izumi
>>>> On 2015/02/09 22:31, Nurani Nimpuno wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Andrei.
>>>>> This is my interpretation as well. Good to hear Jari express it this
>>>>> way.
>>>>> Nurani
>>>>> On 9 feb 2015, at 20:59, Andrei Robachevsky <robachevsky at isoc.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> FYI. There is some discussion going on in the IETF (IANAPLAN WG) on
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> to answer Alissa's question.
>>>>>> IMO, the proposals are indeed incompatible only if the IETF opposes
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> change. And only in this case an action would be required from our
>>>>>> side.
>>>>>> Andrei
>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:48:23 +0800
>>>>>> From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko at piuha.net>
>>>>>> To: Alissa Cooper <alissa at cooperw.in>
>>>>>> CC: ianaplan at ietf.org
>>>>>> The IETF proposal did not set it as a requirement that ownership of
>>>>>> IANA.ORG be transferred as a part of the transition. The RIR
>>>>>> needs to think if they believe it really is a requirement. But I
>>>>>> guess that
>>>>>> the question for us is from the IETF perspective, if other
>>>>>> believe they need that, is the IETF community OK with that? If we
>>>>>> there are some implications to the IETF Trust, some rules to think
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> for various future same/different/partially different IANA operator
>>>>>> scenarios,
>>>>>> and some negotiations about these. I think we can set most of that
>>>>>> aside
>>>>>> for the moment, as details to worry about later. But what is the
>>>>>> high-level
>>>>>> guidance from the IETF community on this?
>>>>>>   From my perspective the question that we should try to answer at
>>>>>> IETF is as follows. While we are (in my opinion) not changing our
>>>>>> proposal - it stays at the �not required� state, is the IETF
>>>>>> OK with a change of ownership? The IETF and RIR proposals are
>>>>>> only incompatible if they require the change _and_ we oppose it.
>>>>>> FWIW, my read of the earlier discussion in IANAPLAN was that
>>>>>> our opinion was �not required� rather than that we�d oppose it. If
>>>>>> that is right, then the answer is perhaps that we�d be fine with
>>>>>> that. Do I read that right, and what do others think?
>>>>>> Jari
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