[CRISP-TEAM] [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG

[Nurani Nimpuno]

On 10 feb 2015, at 03:58, Andrei Robachevsky <robachevsky at isoc.org> wrote:

> Hi Izumi,
> 
> Izumi Okutani wrote on 09/02/15 18:48:
> [...]
> 
>> "If these aspects of the proposals are perceived as incompatible would
>> the numbers and protocol parameters communities be willing to modify
>> their proposals to reconcile them?"
>> 
>> Are we willing to modify the proposal and reconcile?
>> 
> 
> If this appear to be the case, I think we should try to reconcile them.
> But looking at the discussion in the IETF we may not need to do that at
> all, since it looks like there is no incompatibility between the two
> proposals.

Agreed.

> 
>> The rationale of the IETF is that it is not a high priority to address
>> the IPR issues on IANA trademark and iana.org and may need to consider
>> serveral factors which may not be completed before the transition.
>> 
>> The bottom line for us, my personal opinion is that we simply want to
>> make sure that the existing IANA operator does not hold on and disallow
>> the transfer those IPRs.
>> 
>> As long as it is stated as the condition in the contract, it is not a
>> must to transfer IPR to a particular organization before the NTIA
>> stewardship transition on the IANA.
>> 
>> What are your thoughts?
> 
> I think the community was pretty clear regarding the transfer of thee
> assets. If we want to modify this section we will have to confirm this
> with the community, IMO.

Agreed.
Nurani

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andrei
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Izumi
>> 
>> 
>> On 2015/02/09 22:31, Nurani Nimpuno wrote:
>>> Thanks Andrei.
>>> 
>>> This is my interpretation as well. Good to hear Jari express it this way.
>>> 
>>> Nurani
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9 feb 2015, at 20:59, Andrei Robachevsky <robachevsky at isoc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> FYI. There is some discussion going on in the IETF (IANAPLAN WG) on how
>>>> to answer Alissa's question.
>>>> 
>>>> IMO, the proposals are indeed incompatible only if the IETF opposes the
>>>> change. And only in this case an action would be required from our side.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrei
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Question from the ICG
>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:48:23 +0800
>>>> From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko at piuha.net>
>>>> To: Alissa Cooper <alissa at cooperw.in>
>>>> CC: ianaplan at ietf.org
>>>> 
>>>> The IETF proposal did not set it as a requirement that ownership of
>>>> IANA.ORG be transferred as a part of the transition. The RIR community
>>>> needs to think if they believe it really is a requirement. But I
>>>> guess that
>>>> the question for us is from the IETF perspective, if other communities
>>>> believe they need that, is the IETF community OK with that? If we are,
>>>> there are some implications to the IETF Trust, some rules to think about
>>>> for various future same/different/partially different IANA operator
>>>> scenarios,
>>>> and some negotiations about these. I think we can set most of that aside
>>>> for the moment, as details to worry about later. But what is the
>>>> high-level
>>>> guidance from the IETF community on this?
>>>> 
>>>> From my perspective the question that we should try to answer at the
>>>> IETF is as follows. While we are (in my opinion) not changing our
>>>> proposal - it stays at the �not required� state, is the IETF community
>>>> OK with a change of ownership? The IETF and RIR proposals are
>>>> only incompatible if they require the change _and_ we oppose it.
>>>> 
>>>> FWIW, my read of the earlier discussion in IANAPLAN was that
>>>> our opinion was �not required� rather than that we�d oppose it. If
>>>> that is right, then the answer is perhaps that we�d be fine with
>>>> that. Do I read that right, and what do others think?
>>>> 
>>>> Jari
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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