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Thu Dec 11 12:44:24 CET 2014

I agree with this approach. 

                -Bill

> On Dec 11, 2014, at 2:22, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
> 
> If closing the crisp at nro.net will raise transparency issues, then we should open it to read-only and have all archives publicly accessible.
> 
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
> 
> 
> "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
> 
>> On 11 December 2014 at 07:08, Izumi Okutani <izumi at nic.ad.jp> wrote:
>> Dear Andres and all,
>> 
>> 
>>> Thanks for the consideration. I do not have a strong position, just
>>> wanted that we can discuss more about the rationale behind this desition.
>> 
>> Indeed it is helpul you raised this point. I also think it's important we have clear rationale we can explain to our communities. Thank you.
>> 
>> Understood you don't have a strong position.
>> 
>>> I totally understand Andrei������s and Nurani������s point of view and would be
>>> comfortable with providing information to the Communitu at the global
>> list.
>>> 
>>> I will be OK with this procedure.
>> 
>> OK. Thanks for sharing your input.
>> 
>> I saw Allan's post that :
>> 
>>  - He's OK to keep the archives of crisp at nro.net to be open (read only)
>>  - If we keep it closed, we should share key information on the global
>>    list, such as our plan to post minutes of meetings, notices of
>>    meetings, and draft documents on the global list (ianaxfer at nro.net)
>> 
>> I agree with sharing key information to the global list, and infact, this is something we already do for meeting plans and minutes.
>> 
>> Perhaps we can work with closed archive for crisp at nro.net and keep transparency & community engagement at the same time, if we work this way.
>> 
>> Anyone else feels differently? If so, it helps if you could raise it on the list before the coming teleconference, as much as possible.
>> 
>> I'll do a quick confirmation at the teleconferene today (11 Dec) to make sure everyone is comfortable.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Izumi
>> 
>> (2014/12/11 1:09), Andres wrote:
>>> Dear Izumi,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the consideration. I do not have a strong position, just
>>> wanted that we can discuss more about the rationale behind this desition.
>>> 
>>> I totally understand Andrei������s and Nurani������s point of view and would be
>>> comfortable with providing information to the Communitu at the global list.
>>> 
>>> I will be OK with this procedure.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Andr������s
>>> 
>>> 
>>> El 10/12/2014 a las 12:25 p.m., Izumi Okutani escribi������:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks for raising this Andres. I think it's good to clarify.
>>>> 
>>>> I understood Andrei's and Nurani's point as it's important we share
>>>> and engage with the communities once a draft proposal is ready but
>>>> sharing the working process at this stage may cause confusions, while
>>>> it may not necessarily achieve openness desired .
>>>> 
>>>> Andres, do you feel keeping the below option described by Nurani could
>>>> help address your concern/intention, while keeping the archives of
>>>> crisp at nro.net closed?
>>>> 
>>>> > (But it is of course of utmost importance that we also engage with
>>>> the community through the ianxfer list, as well as our own regional
>>>> communities.)
>>>> 
>>>> Each CRIPS members are free to update the progress with their
>>>> communities as necessary ofcourse.
>>>> 
>>>> It's important that we all feel comfortable with community engagement,
>>>> so certainly would like to hear if you/anyone else have concerns about
>>>> this approach.
>>>> 
>>>> Izumi
>>>> 
>>>> (2014/12/10 21:14), Nurani Nimpuno wrote:
>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 10 dec 2014, at 12:49, Andrei Robachevsky <robachevsky at isoc.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Andr���������s, all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andres wrote on 10/12/14 12:21:
>>>>>>> Thanks Germ���������n,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A couple of questions for the rest of the colleagues:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is this list expected to be closed just for us leaving the IANAXFER
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the global community? Are those your expectations?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is my expectation indeed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I wonder if it would be better to open our list for observers that
>>>>>>> cannot post, just read. Would the rest of the CRISP team agree with
>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd prefer to complete the necessary few iterations to produce the
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> coherent draft response here, within a small group on a closed
>>>>>> mailinglist and then bring it as soon as possible to the open ianaxfer
>>>>>> where we can fully engage with the community, provide justification for
>>>>>> concrete points, incorporate feedback, etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> IMO allowing observers to browse through public archives may increase
>>>>>> confusion and doesn't really contribute to the openness of the process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I fully agree with Andrei here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Given the very aggressive timeline, we need to be able to work
>>>>> efficiently in this group. Or we risk not meeting the set deadline.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (But it is of course of utmost importance that we also engage with
>>>>> the community through the ianxfer list, as well as our own regional
>>>>> communities.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Nurani
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andrei
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Andr���������s
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> El 10/12/2014 a las 04:01 a.m., German Valdez escribi���������:
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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