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Thu Dec 11 08:21:02 CET 2014

If closing the crisp at nro.net will raise transparency issues, then we should
open it to read-only and have all archives publicly accessible.

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Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya

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On 11 December 2014 at 07:08, Izumi Okutani <izumi at nic.ad.jp> wrote:

> Dear Andres and all,
>
>
>  Thanks for the consideration. I do not have a strong position, just
>> wanted that we can discuss more about the rationale behind this desition.
>>
>
> Indeed it is helpul you raised this point. I also think it's important we
> have clear rationale we can explain to our communities. Thank you.
>
> Understood you don't have a strong position.
>
>  I totally understand Andrei������s and Nurani������s point of view and
>> would be
>> comfortable with providing information to the Communitu at the global
>>
> list.
>
>>
>> I will be OK with this procedure.
>>
>
> OK. Thanks for sharing your input.
>
> I saw Allan's post that :
>
>  - He's OK to keep the archives of crisp at nro.net to be open (read only)
>  - If we keep it closed, we should share key information on the global
>    list, such as our plan to post minutes of meetings, notices of
>    meetings, and draft documents on the global list (ianaxfer at nro.net)
>
> I agree with sharing key information to the global list, and infact, this
> is something we already do for meeting plans and minutes.
>
> Perhaps we can work with closed archive for crisp at nro.net and keep
> transparency & community engagement at the same time, if we work this way.
>
> Anyone else feels differently? If so, it helps if you could raise it on
> the list before the coming teleconference, as much as possible.
>
> I'll do a quick confirmation at the teleconferene today (11 Dec) to make
> sure everyone is comfortable.
>
>
> Regards,
> Izumi
>
> (2014/12/11 1:09), Andres wrote:
>
>> Dear Izumi,
>>
>> Thanks for the consideration. I do not have a strong position, just
>> wanted that we can discuss more about the rationale behind this desition.
>>
>> I totally understand Andrei������s and Nurani������s point of view and
>> would be
>> comfortable with providing information to the Communitu at the global
>> list.
>>
>> I will be OK with this procedure.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andr������s
>>
>>
>> El 10/12/2014 a las 12:25 p.m., Izumi Okutani escribi������:
>>
>>  Thanks for raising this Andres. I think it's good to clarify.
>>>
>>> I understood Andrei's and Nurani's point as it's important we share
>>> and engage with the communities once a draft proposal is ready but
>>> sharing the working process at this stage may cause confusions, while
>>> it may not necessarily achieve openness desired .
>>>
>>> Andres, do you feel keeping the below option described by Nurani could
>>> help address your concern/intention, while keeping the archives of
>>> crisp at nro.net closed?
>>>
>>> > (But it is of course of utmost importance that we also engage with
>>> the community through the ianxfer list, as well as our own regional
>>> communities.)
>>>
>>> Each CRIPS members are free to update the progress with their
>>> communities as necessary ofcourse.
>>>
>>> It's important that we all feel comfortable with community engagement,
>>> so certainly would like to hear if you/anyone else have concerns about
>>> this approach.
>>>
>>> Izumi
>>>
>>> (2014/12/10 21:14), Nurani Nimpuno wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> On 10 dec 2014, at 12:49, Andrei Robachevsky <robachevsky at isoc.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Andr���������s, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Andres wrote on 10/12/14 12:21:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Germ���������n,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A couple of questions for the rest of the colleagues:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this list expected to be closed just for us leaving the IANAXFER
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the global community? Are those your expectations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> This is my expectation indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I wonder if it would be better to open our list for observers that
>>>>>> cannot post, just read. Would the rest of the CRISP team agree with
>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'd prefer to complete the necessary few iterations to produce the
>>>>> first
>>>>> coherent draft response here, within a small group on a closed
>>>>> mailinglist and then bring it as soon as possible to the open ianaxfer
>>>>> where we can fully engage with the community, provide justification for
>>>>> concrete points, incorporate feedback, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO allowing observers to browse through public archives may increase
>>>>> confusion and doesn't really contribute to the openness of the process.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I fully agree with Andrei here.
>>>>
>>>> Given the very aggressive timeline, we need to be able to work
>>>> efficiently in this group. Or we risk not meeting the set deadline.
>>>>
>>>> (But it is of course of utmost importance that we also engage with
>>>> the community through the ianxfer list, as well as our own regional
>>>> communities.)
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Nurani
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrei
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andr���������s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El 10/12/2014 a las 04:01 a.m., German Valdez escribi���������:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
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