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Thu Dec 11 05:08:40 CET 2014

Dear Andres and all,

> Thanks for the consideration. I do not have a strong position, just
> wanted that we can discuss more about the rationale behind this desition.

Indeed it is helpul you raised this point. I also think it's important 
we have clear rationale we can explain to our communities. Thank you.

Understood you don't have a strong position.

> I totally understand Andrei������s and Nurani������s point of view and would be
> comfortable with providing information to the Communitu at the global
list.
>
> I will be OK with this procedure.

OK. Thanks for sharing your input.

I saw Allan's post that :

  - He's OK to keep the archives of crisp at nro.net to be open (read only)
  - If we keep it closed, we should share key information on the global
    list, such as our plan to post minutes of meetings, notices of
    meetings, and draft documents on the global list (ianaxfer at nro.net)

I agree with sharing key information to the global list, and infact, 
this is something we already do for meeting plans and minutes.

Perhaps we can work with closed archive for crisp at nro.net and keep 
transparency & community engagement at the same time, if we work this way.

Anyone else feels differently? If so, it helps if you could raise it on 
the list before the coming teleconference, as much as possible.

I'll do a quick confirmation at the teleconferene today (11 Dec) to make 
sure everyone is comfortable.

Regards,
Izumi

(2014/12/11 1:09), Andres wrote:
> Dear Izumi,
>
> Thanks for the consideration. I do not have a strong position, just
> wanted that we can discuss more about the rationale behind this desition.
>
> I totally understand Andrei������s and Nurani������s point of view and would be
> comfortable with providing information to the Communitu at the global list.
>
> I will be OK with this procedure.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andr������s
>
>
> El 10/12/2014 a las 12:25 p.m., Izumi Okutani escribi������:
>> Thanks for raising this Andres. I think it's good to clarify.
>>
>> I understood Andrei's and Nurani's point as it's important we share
>> and engage with the communities once a draft proposal is ready but
>> sharing the working process at this stage may cause confusions, while
>> it may not necessarily achieve openness desired .
>>
>> Andres, do you feel keeping the below option described by Nurani could
>> help address your concern/intention, while keeping the archives of
>> crisp at nro.net closed?
>>
>> > (But it is of course of utmost importance that we also engage with
>> the community through the ianxfer list, as well as our own regional
>> communities.)
>>
>> Each CRIPS members are free to update the progress with their
>> communities as necessary ofcourse.
>>
>> It's important that we all feel comfortable with community engagement,
>> so certainly would like to hear if you/anyone else have concerns about
>> this approach.
>>
>> Izumi
>>
>> (2014/12/10 21:14), Nurani Nimpuno wrote:
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> On 10 dec 2014, at 12:49, Andrei Robachevsky <robachevsky at isoc.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Andr���������s, all,
>>>>
>>>> Andres wrote on 10/12/14 12:21:
>>>>> Thanks Germ���������n,
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of questions for the rest of the colleagues:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this list expected to be closed just for us leaving the IANAXFER
>>>>> for
>>>>> the global community? Are those your expectations?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is my expectation indeed.
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if it would be better to open our list for observers that
>>>>> cannot post, just read. Would the rest of the CRISP team agree with
>>>>> that?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd prefer to complete the necessary few iterations to produce the
>>>> first
>>>> coherent draft response here, within a small group on a closed
>>>> mailinglist and then bring it as soon as possible to the open ianaxfer
>>>> where we can fully engage with the community, provide justification for
>>>> concrete points, incorporate feedback, etc.
>>>>
>>>> IMO allowing observers to browse through public archives may increase
>>>> confusion and doesn't really contribute to the openness of the process.
>>>
>>> I fully agree with Andrei here.
>>>
>>> Given the very aggressive timeline, we need to be able to work
>>> efficiently in this group. Or we risk not meeting the set deadline.
>>>
>>> (But it is of course of utmost importance that we also engage with
>>> the community through the ianxfer list, as well as our own regional
>>> communities.)
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Nurani
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Andrei
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Andr���������s
>>>>>
>>>>> El 10/12/2014 a las 04:01 a.m., German Valdez escribi���������:
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